This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their upcoming changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities can't plan. I've heard of courses being cut because the government has no process in place for universities to send the newly required acceptance letters to the government.

This means that students who have been accepted can not attend courses that start in the summer 2024 semester. With cut sections, current Canadian students will have trouble getting courses, and may have to switch to part-time which changes their enrollment status and might trigger repayment of their loans or ineligibility for funding. I've seen this before. It wreaks havoc on the student loan borrowers.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment. Will the new system needed in a rush for the acceptance letters be the new Arrivecan scandal?

I call on the government to implement a slower phased in approach and delay the requirement of the acceptance letters until a process is in place to submit these letters.


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ok i sent them a fax indicating i want a Financial Questionnaire... NO response yet, however their Collection Dept. i believe keeps calling me. The number is 1 866 864 5825????? I wonder what do they want over the phone???
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by any chance which CRA Office am I addressing the letter to???
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ahhh i see.Thank you Johnny for your prompt response :)
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If you you ask them to mail you the financial forms they have to. They require a signature. This is an example of how the collection industry style of collections has morphed into the government's style. Besides, CRA's collection teams are comprised of a lot of former third-party collectors anyway. Write them a letter requesting the financial forms to be issued to you in the mail and you will get them.
 
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Hey Everyone...

I ve read a lot on this forum and do feel that my story is somehow similar.

Ive got 2 portions of the loan-Federal (CRA) and Provincial (CBV). Recently I received a call from CRA asking me to complete a Financial Questionnaire over the phone for which I was not ready. I asked them to mail it to me which they refused. I have a full-time job but many expenses due to retired low-income parents.

Can someone tell me how this Questionnaire looks like and what do they ask for on it as I told them that I will call them back in the next few days...
 
Long story short they want me to pay $1000 / month ($500 each loan portion) that I clearly can not affiord!!
Any advise/help??? Please
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I declared BR in December 2004 and was discharged in September 2005. Immediately after my discharge and several times over at least 3 years I attempted to make payments on my CSL, but I was always told that I could not do that until NSLSC received notice of my discharge. Well they finally received it last week (almost 5 years later) and now they have threatened to send my debt to collections unless I pay the arrears interest and principle ($4K) for the past 5 years immediately. Total Loan $6K Interest $2K. The only thing they were willing to do was let me pay $2K immediately and then do the rest on payments. Q: Why am I not able simply to start making regular payments on the full amount? I offered to pay $300/month but was turned down.
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Unsure of what to do, posted in a Moderated forum and received no response, decided to try to get advice here....
 
I recently inquired through TransUnion about my credit report. I received 3 accounts open on my file, which was surprising, (should have been more although I assume they disappear after a period of time). Anyways, I am showing:
CIBC Student Loan - $6438 Opened 12/01/99 and Reported 05/05/2004
Royal Bank for my Canada Student Loan - $11851 Opened 11/01/99 and Reported 07/31/2003
Telus Mobility - $1087 Opened 02/23/09
 
So altogether I owe $19376
 
My question is...1. What is the smartest thing to do in order to clear my debt and start building my credit.
 
Can I apply for financial hardship somehow with CSL and OSL in order to have the debt cleared..(thought I read that somewhere) or should I be filing bankrupcy (although I am not sure if they would be covered as which date do they go by? Both loans opened in '99) How do I go about seeing how many years they count as being included in bankrupcy? The last time I made payments on my loans for CSL and OSL was when I was connected with Family Services Perth-Huron in Owen Sound (04/2004) and they set up a arrangement that my CSL interest was stopped and OSL was 6.25%.
 
I haven't made payments since 2004.
 
What would be your advice...I am in low income housing, my spouse is on Disability. (ODSP) and just recently am starting a part time position. I really can't afford any substantial payments.
 
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i callled the osap people at scotia bank to confirm my end of study date, I then called a bankruptcy trustee in Toronto who informed me that I could file even though I went back to school in 2004 for five months only if I didnt receive osap. thanks.
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Mike, you can include your student loans in the bankruptcy if 7 years have passed since your end of study date. You said you went to school until 2000? Did you ever go back to school and advise the student loan centre that you are back in school?
You need to call to get verify your end of study date for the Ontario portion and for the Federal portion.
Ontario: 1 807 343 7760
Federal: 1 888 815 4514

Just ask them what end of study date they have on file for you. One of the 2 numbers, I think the Ontario one, has a recording that it is for people attending school outside of Ontario and talks about some grants and stuff so I picked a random # (but not one for general info or else you get a recording and do not pick 1, it hangs up on you) to get a person and they answered the question.

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so (blackcat) I can file for bankruptcy based on my situation. I asked a bankruptcy lawyer here in Van.  via. bankruptcybc.ca and he told me to talk to someone in Ontario, apparently its a complex issue.
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Fed up...I whole heartedly agree; if one is (un)lucky enough to get a student loan, there should be a mandatory course in money management before the funds are released.

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Originally posted by insanous insanous wrote:

If you finished school, which put you $40,000 debt, don't take a $2000 a month job, and have to pay $800 a month in loan repayments!
 
 
And what if that $2,000.00 a month job is all that is available? Not for anything but I can't remember anyone ever telling me that my BA is useless and not worth the $50,000.00 in loans to get (I was initially in the HBA program and graduated with a BA, went to school for four years and three summers). No one has even told me what I could do with my useless BA work wise, hence why it is useless.
 
What the problem is.... when you default, they keep you there. They report you as a bad debt on your credit file so you can't even get credit if you don't have any. It is difficult for most to get out of default.
 
They way they have math and science etc as mandatory courses to graduate in high school, in your final year, you should be required to take a course that teaches you how to budget, how to manage money etc.... as well as the in's and out's of the options for paying for a post secondary education.  Perhaps then we will know what we are getting into at 18 (or older) where student loans and a post secondary education are concerned, that we will be better prepared for what lies ahead.
 
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That link up there is the bad information, the answer is too simple. The link below says another thing, and is also too simple.
http://www.bankruptcy****/studentloans1.htm
:Student loan debt will be eligible for discharge in bankruptcy if seven years have passed since the former student ceased to be a full or part time student.   The Court has interpreted the meaning of “ceased to be a full or part time student” in section 178(1) (g) to not include periods of time when the bankrupt was a student but received no student loans.  (Re Ledoux, 2005 SKQB 75, 8 C.B.R. (5th) 225) "


I think it confuses people because the answer doesn't simply come from whether you were in school or not. You attend school a couple of years with OSAP then don't for 2 but your payments are deferred the last 2 years so of course your end of study period is at the very end of school.

If you go back after a few years off and notify the student loans centre so that you benefit from interest relief while back in school, it extends your end of study even if you did not get a new loan.

If you got student loans then defaulted, they went to collections, and you just ignored them then went back to school without notifying the student loans centre because why would you? You wouldn't qualify for any perks of interest relief, or deferred payments. The end of study period does not get extended.
It even says on the Canlearn site for end of study period that you have to notify them to extend your status as a student.

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I did a five month course in 2006 with no payments deferred from my OSAP debt, but I did get a $400 loan for tools for the apprenticeship program I took. I graduated from Uni. in 2000, can I or can I not file for bankruptcy??

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Alex....the tax return claw backs are not 'voluntary' payments, so they do not reset the clock. 
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I find the response interesting.  It seems that there is contradicting information and I would be interested to know whether anyone else has gotten similar information from student loan representatives.  My understanding was also the same... that if you went back to school the bankruptcy qualifying period begins again at time zero regardless of whether you have received another loan or not. 

I have read the link posted above and also looked up some of the information regarding student loans and bankruptcy.  It seems that the representative from CSL was in error.  However, I would be interested to know if there is some rule exception or other that they based their response on.

On a similar note, I have recently (2009) had the CRA take two years of refunds as payment towards my student loan debt.  I was wondering if anyone knew how this "payment" towards my student debt might affect my ability to qualify for bankruptcy?  I don't remember but I think I recall something about a payment also "re-setting" the clock back to zero?

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