This website is a testimony to the problems Canadian Student Loan borrowers experienced from approximately 1996 to 2008 and until their loans were paid off.

The privatization of the Student Loans system by the Chretien and Martin Liberal governments broke the system and defaulted thousands of borrowers who were trying to pay their loans. There were even stories of suicide due to the harassment of borrowers.

Read the report that I prepared back in 2007 here. Canada Student Loans-The Need for Change Fortunately the new Conservative government at the time revamped the program and fixed the system for new borrowers, but borrowers under the previous program were left with ruined credit and continued harassment from debt collectors.

I call on the Canadian Government to apologize to the borrowers affected by this fiasco and make amends.

Unfortunately the Liberal government is again clobbering the Education system with their upcoming changes to International Student Visas. Yes, there's a problem, but instead of a well thought out plan, they have pulled the emergency brake on the train causing a derailment. This has introduced unprecedented instability for both private and public education institutions who serve both international and local students.

Universities can't plan. I've heard of courses being cut because the government has no process in place for universities to send the newly required acceptance letters to the government.

This means that students who have been accepted can not attend courses that start in the summer 2024 semester. With cut sections, current Canadian students will have trouble getting courses, and may have to switch to part-time which changes their enrollment status and might trigger repayment of their loans or ineligibility for funding. I've seen this before. It wreaks havoc on the student loan borrowers.

Again, the Liberal government has messed up the education environment. Will the new system needed in a rush for the acceptance letters be the new Arrivecan scandal?

I call on the government to implement a slower phased in approach and delay the requirement of the acceptance letters until a process is in place to submit these letters.


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    Posted: 06/June/2005 at 4:46pm

I have a student loan in collections at NCO financial.  I owe Royal Bank the money, and they're willing to settle for 65% of the total loan, but if not, I'm told that they will take me to court and try to get my wages garnished.  If a garnishment is possible, why would they be willing to settle?  They could just demand the whole amount owing.  I worry that I will send money and they will demand more, or change the agreement.  If I can obtain it in writing the total owing and an agreeable payment amount, can they turn around and continue to call me for more or threaten to take me to court?  I don't like the idea of direct withdrawals, and I'm concerned to even send cheques because then they'll still have my banking info - the agent tried to convince me that people bounce cheques all the time so they prefer direct withdrawals (I don't bounce cheques!!)  I want to get this off my back but I feel $20 a month is only going to keep them happy for...well a month!  If someone knows the best way to pay this agency without further risk to me and my sanity, please help!  It has been hanging over me for almost 7 years...

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 In your case, from what you have described, the collector is using the threat of legal action as the motivational tool to get you to respond in the way he or she wants you to.

 In a nutshell, the collector is offering you the incentive of a potential settlement to avoid legal proceedings by the way it sounds.

 Collectors have permission to settle accounts for a certain amount. In many cases, collectors toss around numbers in an effort to get you on the hunt for cash. Then, once you comeback to them with the cash thinking you have struck a decent deal, they suddenly change their tune and tell you that they have to take it to their client for approval first. If your lender rejects the offer, then the collector knows that you have a certain amount of cash that they can approach you for. This is where the rules get broken when you put up resistance.

 Lesson # 1 - never pay any money out unless you have something in writing to the effect from the lender.

 Lesson # 2 - Don't borrow money from a high risk/high interst lending institution or finance company to consolidate debts. These companies charge more than 30% interest on note loans in most cases.

 Suzi,

 I can solve this crunch of yours if you want. I offer information freely all of the time, but if you want it solved, it will require intervention. If you would like to become a client, let me know.

 Otherwise, I wish you the best of luck and keep us all posted.

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To answer one of your questions, suziegirl, they are offering to settle because they CAN. In other words, if the collector can get a lump sum payout, collect the commish, close your account and move on to the next one, he will. It beats sending the account over to the legal guys, suing, waiting for a judgment, filing the garnishment order and collecting little pissy amounts every couple of weeks.

Don't forget...you're dealing with a bill collector, not the bank. The collector doesn't give a rat's ass about the bank's money...only his commission.

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 Sure they can settle with permission from their client. Or, within the parameters of their blanket approval. But in most cases they simply toss around numbers to see what a debtor can scrape up - and then pounce on the oportunity to collect on that in the event that a settlement is declined.

 You should know this stuff.

 I am sure this is a tactical methodology that all collectors adopt in the process of learning how to motivate people - and use fear as a tool of the trade. It happens all over the world - likely even in Southeast Asia.

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I would be very careful trying to settle with debt collectors. If you were dealing directly with the Royal Bank not as much caution would be required. 

Collectors use all sorts of tricks to determine how much resources you have, this could be one. I would not give direct access to a bank accout to a collector for direct withdrawals.

If the 65% payout is a significant decrease in the amount owing, and you can pay it, it is something to consider, ONLY it that ends the story. If you are indeed able to settle for 65% the savings make i worth while to speand a bit more to make sure it is done right, as in speaking to Johnny.

Collectors can usually offer a 80% payout for most debts. That seems like the standard amount, but it is still per agreement and debt type. 65% for long term unpaid debts is probably reasonable. Most Banks will settle for about 50% for long term unpaid debt, because of write offs.

Student loans have a bunch of other catches built into the system.

If you can pay out at 65%, it may be worth letting Johnny make sure it is done right. There are very few other people out there that are familiar with all the Gotchas of student loans.


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 "Most Banks will settle for about 50% for long term unpaid debt, because of write offs."

 This is not true at all.

 The standard amount is anywhere om 90% down to 80%. In some instances they can go to 65-70% depending on the client. For instance, CIBC aconts in third-party that are under $5000.00 can settle for 65% - sometimes 70%. For accounts over $5000.00, the norm is 80-85%.

 The only way a collection agency can settle for less than 60% today is if the debt has been purchased by that agency. There are collectors who have been removed from the industry for acepting their commonly described "below parameter" settlement offerings without permission from the lender.

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Johnny....

Or Turkey or Mali or Paraguay, I suppose. What's your point?

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