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Topic: Software to record phone conversations!!!
Posted By: administrator
Subject: Software to record phone conversations!!!
Date Posted: 06/July/2004 at 5:25pm
Modem spy allows you to record telephone conversations through your dial up modem!

http://www.allformp3.com/record-phone-conversation.htm - http://www.allformp3.com/record-phone-conversation.htm
$24.95 US dollars!

The software will record all phone conversations as well as Caller ID information allowing you to have a crystal-clear record of every conversation from your phone! Great for business use and even the home! It plays back recorded messages on a phone line or sound card, has built-in gain control and displays caller ID information.

Provide me with some files, I'll post them on the site!



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Posted By: bruticus
Date Posted: 13/July/2004 at 9:03am
interesting, would you suggest using this while speaking with collection agents? I think my cel phone has this feature aswell.


Posted By: fedup
Date Posted: 29/July/2004 at 5:40am

 

Is it legal to record telephone conversations?



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Posted By: hunter
Date Posted: 29/July/2004 at 6:06am
Why the hell not
Is it legal for collection agencies to threaten and lie
in order to get information
Same thing


Posted By: 6273kat
Date Posted: 29/July/2004 at 11:08am

Fed up...

As far as I know it is not illegal to record a phone conversation as long as one of the two parties engaged in the conversation is aware the recording is happening.

IE...If you know and they don't...its OK

However you can't record a conversation two other people are having, without their consent.



Posted By: CLEMOH
Date Posted: 29/July/2004 at 3:35pm
This software wont work unless you have a voice modem installed on your PC.  Most contemporary machines are now shipped with fax modems.Cry

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Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 29/July/2004 at 6:15pm

 

 It is not illegal to record a call from a nasty person who intends to cause you harm in one form or another.

 The real question is "is it admissable in court, or any other legal proceedings?" Megapo would be able to detemrine this rather quickly i would think. This person has a ton (and then some) of such information.



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Posted By: bruticus
Date Posted: 02/August/2004 at 12:13am

i read this article and took heed,

 

my cel phone the Motorola V300 and prolly the newer models allows for recording conversations by simply pressing a button while speaking. I have a solid record of my supposed standings with nordon now.



Posted By: HappyElf
Date Posted: 10/August/2004 at 3:52pm
If you are recording a phone call it is commonly (depending on where you are in the world) required to ask the other person if it is ok with them if you record the conversation. (if they say 'yes' on tape, no problemo) Hence why you hear an aweful lot of those "This call may be recorded and / or monitored for training and quality control purposes..."

If you get that message when you contact your CA then it seems to me that it is already ok for you to record the conversation for your own "training and quality control purposes".

If you don't get that message then ask them politely if it is okay to record the conversation. If they say 'no', then maybe say something polite such as, "thank you for your time" and hang up. Call them back again. remember to ask that question repeatedly with each new person you speak to and remind them that the call is being recorded as often as possible.

As for software that you can use, heck, any voice modem comes with that ability with it's built in software. Under Windows, if you extend your AuxMixer properties (under record) there will be an option right there to un-mute the modem and with any recording software you can record the voice audio of the phone conversation. Provided you are using the phone connected to the modem and the modem is connected to the phone jack. There are also freeware and shareware versions out there. Under Linux you're not so lucky, but the workaround is much more fun.

I used this technique once a few years ago against a spammer, to wit, his 1-800 number was revoked.


Posted By: MetisRebel
Date Posted: 17/August/2004 at 11:55am

I used to be a PI amongst other things.

It is LEGAL as long as one person knows the conversation is being recorded. It probably won't hold up in court unless you warn them so do so!

I tell government agencies all the time that I am recording the phone call. That makes it clear to them that they cannot advise anything unethical or illegal.



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Posted By: Amber23
Date Posted: 22/September/2004 at 4:26am
can somebody pleeeeease help me find the legislation with regards to telephone calls recording.

I know its in the code somewhere. i had a huge argument with a collector i know


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22/September/2004 at 3:32pm

Bugger the collector. You may tape your own telephone calls. Period.

There is no law that PERMITS this, simply because laws are there to prohibit, not to allow.

Tape every conversation you have with a collector. When they get heavy with you play back their greatest hits for them. Then complain to the ministry. Take the offensive.



Posted By: fytor
Date Posted: 22/September/2004 at 3:53pm

I think what should be considered is the nature of the call.  I suspect strongly that if you are going to record a telephone conversation between yourself and an organization for business purposes, there is no problem to record the conversation if they initiate the call to you.  If you call them, you may wish to advise them that the conversation will be recorded to ensure there are no misunderstandings down the road.  By doing this, you are protecting yourself so that it can't be said that you set up the call to be misleading.

Fortunately, the corporation HAS to advise you if they are recording the conversation regardless of who initiate the call AND they have to specify if it's being used for "QUALITY" purposes or for legal record.

However, when you are recording a conversation between yourself and an individual person, I think it's then when you step on privacy laws and should be very cautious as you may be in trouble if shared or found by others.

This is all to the best of my knowledge from dealings with this topic occasionally at my work. (No, I'm not a CA)



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Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 22/September/2004 at 4:15pm

 

 There are key words that should be used... they are "for consumer protection" and "personal protection".

 This will eliminate liability.



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Posted By: eshelton
Date Posted: 22/September/2004 at 7:33pm
If I call them, and they say the call will be recorded, do I have to advise them of the same?  For their recordings, we both acknowledge this, so we're both aware.  It just depends who has the tape.  


Posted By: 6273kat
Date Posted: 23/September/2004 at 6:09am

The reason that a corporation Has to tell you your call will be recorded is that they are a third party. That would be the same as someone taping your home phone and not letting you know.

When you tape a phone call, or any conversation you have, you do not have to let the other party know.

Having this recording on at all times, will show that you are trying to meet your end of the agreement. It is they who continue to break the laws, by phoning all times of the day or night, at work, yelling etc...

I would also suggest a journal and make it a point to write down each and every call, including the time, date, name of the call, company they are calling on behalf of, and what the conversation was about.

Play this game on an equal playing field so that if you ever have to dispute this you will have all of your facts ready to go.



Posted By: eshelton
Date Posted: 04/November/2004 at 5:27pm
A fax modem WILL work with this software.  You can get one at the computer store for $19 and just pop it into your PCI slot.  I'm using AOpen FM56-SVV

http://usa.aopen.com/products/modem/fm56-svv.htm

Software installation of Modem Spy was really quick and it has all these other neat features too. 

Make sure the DSL filter is on before the line enters the modem, then connect your phone to the output on the modem. 


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Posted By: collywobbles
Date Posted: 15/November/2004 at 10:09am
This software worked with the fax modem in one of my machines, but not the one in another, so some fax modems are supported but not all.

Also, the audio quality that the software produces is not very crisp.

I eventually went to RadioShack and bought a little gizmo that plugs into my phone line and a tape recorder -- audio is crystal clear.  They have a number of different phone line recording devices http://www.radioshack.ca/estore/Category.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=RadioShack&category=Recorders&pagenum=1 - available on their website .   I looked around but haven't seen any at other retailers.

Record, record, record!!  It's perfectly legal, you're entirely within your rights, and I hope you catch the **** breaking the law.  This kind of evidence is the only way to make allegations stick.


Posted By: worldfamous
Date Posted: 19/November/2004 at 3:24pm
Can i Install a voice modem and use it with my adsl line?


Posted By: eshelton
Date Posted: 19/November/2004 at 3:31pm
Sure.  Just make sure the DSL filter is on the line before it enters the modem, otherwise you will get static.

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Posted By: MegaPo
Date Posted: 13/December/2004 at 9:19am
Originally posted by Johnny Johnny wrote:

 The real question is "is it admissable in court, or any other legal proceedings?" Megapo would be able to detemrine this rather quickly i would think. This person has a ton (and then some) of such information.



  <blush!>   Thanks, Johnny.  I've been off this site for several months, so I didn't spot your praise until just today!

The question about whether or not recorded phone calls are "legal" pops up once in a while.  I'm glad to see that people want to follow the rules as they are seeking fair solutions to unfair problems.

As people pointed out, "legal" can mean different things in different forums:  (1) Can you be charged for the offense of creating an illegal recording?  (2) Can you benefit (in court or elsewhere) from the content of the tape?  That is, will the civil courts ever hear the tapes?

Okay, (1)...  Canada is a "one-party consent" jurisdiction for recorded conversations.  The creation of the tape is legal so long as at least one participant has consented to the taping.  (Heck, the "participant" doesn't even need to participate!  So long as a person is an obvious party in the conversation (speaking or not), then that person can give consent to anyone (even themselves) to tape a conversation.  So no...  You'll never be charged, unless you secretly tape a conversation that takes place between parties unaware of your recording.  So don't do that!

(2)  The central issue for the civil court is authenticity of the tape.  A court will "hear" a tape only when a witness can testify to the authenticity of the production.  Usually, the person who prepared the tape says, "Yeah, I pressed Record at 2:00pm and let it run for 20 minutes, then pressed Stop.  The sounds on the tape accurately reproduce the sounds I heard during that time."

--> So basically, a recording that you make yourself of conversations that you participated in are (1) not criminal or offensive conduct, and (2) completely admissible in court, if you keep good records.

Then there's issue #3...  SHOULD you tape a phone call without the consent of other parties?  All I'm saying is that it's legal, but I'm not saying it's a good idea in all cases.

Some people have suggested telling the agent on the phone that you're taping just so everybody is "above-board" for that call.  Smart!  I've done it, and it works.

Some people have said that they wished they had taped a call where a collector was utterly abusive.  It's kinda fun to complain about a (TRULY offensive) collector, only to hear the "supervisor" say that there wasn't a problem, and then say... "Well.. but...  Let's just listen to the tape then, shall we?"  

Don't be a victim -- but approach all with kindness.

--MegaPo


Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 13/December/2004 at 10:55am

 

 It is good to see you again, Megapo.  

 Thank you so much for explaining this stuff.

 If people ask me how to present the matter to a collector (as in recording conversations), I usually tell them to say "due to consumer protection and assurance reasons this call is being recorded ..".

 You da man.

 Johnny  

 

 



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Posted By: polyhymnia61
Date Posted: 13/December/2004 at 12:41pm

MEGA POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweetie, I missed you!!!!

Hope things are well with you!! Things are so much better for me...

Don't run away!! Even though (or maybe because?) life is much sweeter for me, I can't stay away from the forum...Maybe it's a "pay it forward" thang...But until laws change and the system is overhauled, I can't abandon this forum...It's not about me anymore, I guess...

Please stay in dah loop!!

Poly

 



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Posted By: Islander
Date Posted: 13/December/2004 at 3:51pm

Nice to see you back, Meg!

Hey Johnny! How about just saying, "Hey, schmuck! You know that I just taped everything you said? Kiss your licence goodbye!"

That works too, if you stop the tape just before you say those words.



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Posted By: momof2
Date Posted: 14/December/2004 at 2:26am

works for me, anyways.  can you imagine the panic on the other end of the phone after you hang up ?? 



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Posted By: 100yearstogo
Date Posted: 16/February/2005 at 1:57pm
On the subject of recording phone calls:
I spent several years as a private investigator. The head of the organization I worked for had his first career as a lawyer. Whenever I had a question about the legality of an action he would go to the bookshelf and look it up and make me tell him.
"INTERCEPTION OF A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION"
is what you are talking about.
The last time I checked (at my local library) the criminal code of Canada said that as long as one party who is in the conversation has knowledge that the conversation is being recorded, and consents to it, the recording is legal. The recording is basiclly a memory aid and a help to your credibility.

Furthermore, this IS ADMISSIBLE IN COURT.

I would suggest that you tape EVERY SINGLE CALL YOU HAVE with collectors, because, in my experience, they lie like rugs! They frequently threaten and they don't care if you loose your job because of the "urgent" messages they leave at your workplace. (I speak from experience here the park bench is closer than you think)

Please don't take my word about the criminal code; Go look it up amd see for yourself at the library.

I would also like to suggest that you use a regular tape recorder and a $7 suction cup microphone. (Radio Shack - no, I don't work for them and you can probably find one cheaper elsewhere) It might be a pain to use a stick on microphone, but bringing the original tape (keep a copy) to court is far better than a cd because it leaves fewer doubts in the judge's mind about how you might have doctored the recording. After they hang up state the time and date. Don't get clever and ask them what the date is, they might catch on. Also be aware that it is important to log each communication with them at the time it happens. Year; Date; Start Time; End Time; Key comments such as what (s)he said and what you promiced. The original notes in a bound blank book are best (cops & P.I.'s use it), but a scribbler (not coil) would do.

Never, never, never, never tell them they are being recorded!!!

Also be aware that "third party disclosure" is illegal.
If they threaten to call your payroll officer and reveal information, they are either stupid or lying.

Never say anything that you would be uncomfortable having played back in front of 65 people and the judge who is deciding if you are the victim or just an irresponsible con artist.

phew!! that was my first post, I hope It helps someone.
Venting it certainly helped me.


Posted By: MegaPo
Date Posted: 18/February/2005 at 10:20am
I agree with the way 100yearstogo put it: "the Criminal Code of Canada said that as long as one party who is in the conversation has knowledge that the conversation is being recorded, and consents to it, the recording is legal."

100yearstogo, you mentioned the offence known as "Interception of a Private Communication." It sounds like a bad thing (like, illegal), but you're right: technically, the recording of a telephone call is an example of "interception." However, not every interception is a criminal offence. (Most aren't!)

In fact, the only interceptions (eavesdropping or recording) of a telephone conversation that could be considered criminal are when:

(1) the originator OR the intended receiver are within Canada, AND the circumstances made the originator believe (reasonably) that the message would be heard by the receiver only;
     AND...
(2) the interception was intentional, and took place WITHOUT any consent of any party in the conversation.

Both conditions must be met, or the interception is not an offence. If even one person in a conversation (regardless of how many participate) permits a recording, then they can record it, or even get a friend to record it. You only need one-party consent. (And the consenting party doesn't even need to speak!)

Your advice is smart: People shouldn't take our word for it! Ask a properly licensed lawyer, or go look it up in the Criminal Code of Canada (library or the Government of Canada (Justice) website).

You'll be looking through CCC Part VI, Invasion of Privacy. It is Section 184(1) that describes "Interception of Private Communication" as an indictable offence with a maximum 5-year imprisonment. However, you must read Section 183 for definitions of "interception" and "private communication," plus Section 184(2) for the list of reasons why most recordings are not illegal.

In a nutshell... It is 184(2)(a) that makes it perfectly legal to do what we are suggesting (recording a phone call from a bill collector to you).

But here where our opinions differ, 100yearsago...

Originally posted by 100yearstogo 100yearstogo wrote:

On the subject of recording phone calls:
Never, never, never, never tell them they are being recorded!!!


While I believe we may secretly record calls (legally), I do not believe we should secretly record calls (on moral and practical grounds). It's a judgment call. For members of CanadaStudentDebt, I would ask, "What are your goals?"

If your primary goal is to have a straightforward, polite, and productive conversation that ends with a reasonable solution, then maybe you want to tell a cranky bill collector that your recording a call. That might greatly improve the collector's behaviour. Will telling the collector about the tape give you better service, better solutions? Maybe. Maybe not.

If your primary goal is to roast some dumbassed bill collector, then by all means, tape and don't tell! If that's your mission, then you might have to deal with several bill collectors, because not all of them are breaking the law! But why is that your mission?? Will your vengeance on a cruel bill collector save you any money? Nope.

Not that I'm taking a strong moral stance here. Let me be honest... I taped secretly. If a call was going very badly, I would say, "Easy now, I'm taping the call, so let's turn down the heat a bit -- let's not say anything we'll regret okay? Let's work on the debt."

Now, if a collector had done something illegal or unprofessional, I would not have told about the tape... You know... "enough rope to hang himself," right? But that never happened. I had a few rude jerks, but didn't catch anything illegal.

So I don't know... You're free to choose. I'm just saying that we should think about our goals when we make these decisions.

Heavy.

--Sean


Posted By: 100yearstogo
Date Posted: 18/February/2005 at 11:50am
Good point!! Keep your Eye on your goal.

I Wasn't taking into account the "keep it civil" approach, I guess I forgot that some of them can be polite professionals. I was going on the "enough rope to hang yourself" theory, and if one nasty one gets the firm into hot water, the supervisors might pull back on the reins a bit.

One ex-collector I worked with at the worst of it, told me that I might well be able to cost these jerks their jobs, and possibly sue for defamation of character, and damages due to dismissal from my job, as well as "third party disclosure" of confidential information, but I didn't have any stress-tolerance left by that point. So, you see I've got a little vengance still floating around in my soul.

Thanks for looking up the sections of law. Hope others put them to good use. These guys rely on ignorance to make it easy for them.
As an example: One asked me "why shouldn't I get a court order to take one third of your pay?" I said; "because that would cost you $200 per paycheque"
He chuckled as if at a good chess move; "You're well informed, thats good"
"It's good for me" I said, and repeated my last offer.


Posted By: Staretz
Date Posted: 26/February/2005 at 4:49pm
What about cell phones?  I work in a call center doing tech support.  I deal with the phone too much as is!  I usually dont even have my phone on when i am at home. What would be a good way to record a cell phone call, if i ever had to?


Posted By: momof2
Date Posted: 26/February/2005 at 5:10pm

some phones have this feature built in, take a look at your manual and see if you are one of the lucky ones.

also, a CA should NOT be calling you on your cell phone, unless you told them it was ok.  something i read on another thread about how they cannot make you bear the cost of dealing with them, adn since most cell phones are a pay by the minute billing system...i might be wrong about this, however....



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Posted By: Staretz
Date Posted: 27/February/2005 at 12:32am
I will have to dig the manual up and look for it.  Though, mind you, now that I am very farsighted, small print is even more of a pain in the behind than it was when I was really obscenely nearsighted!


Posted By: momof2
Date Posted: 27/February/2005 at 7:40am

staretz

sorry, i forgot about your vision issues - probably because of my constant brain fog.  go to the retailer where you bought the phone or your local bell kiosk at the mall, tell them you misplaced your manual and ask if you have that feature on your phone and if you do, get them to show you how to use it.

 



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Posted By: jadedlibrarian
Date Posted: 18/March/2005 at 10:03pm

Originally posted by 100yearstogo 100yearstogo wrote:

Thanks for looking up the sections of law. Hope others put them to good use. These guys rely on ignorance to make it easy for them.
As an example: One asked me "why shouldn't I get a court order to take one third of your pay?" I said; "because that would cost you $200 per paycheque"
He chuckled as if at a good chess move; "You're well informed, thats good"
"It's good for me" I said, and repeated my last offer.

Is this true? Can someone make reference? I'd love to be able to say the same thing when they start calling.. but quite ignorant about it all.



Posted By: 100yearstogo
Date Posted: 19/March/2005 at 6:12am
If he could do it for $5 he wouldn't be threatening to.

Threats are free. Lies are free.

Do a budget and tell him how much you can pay. Don't negociate.


Posted By: terminal_bong_g
Date Posted: 14/June/2005 at 11:08am

This has been answered a million times by now im sure. But any way... It is legal in canada to record a phone conversation as long as one party is aware that the conversation is being recorded. So whether it is your self recording or the poerson on the other end, as long as one of you knows it, its all good.



Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 14/June/2005 at 1:53pm

Yes. As long as one of the two consent to the recording. Basically, you are consenting to yourself. The lawmakers are geniuses.

 Johnny

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Posted By: short_circutz
Date Posted: 18/May/2006 at 10:58am

Originally posted by Staretz Staretz wrote:

What about cell phones?  I work in a call center doing tech support.  I deal with the phone too much as is!  I usually dont even have my phone on when i am at home. What would be a good way to record a cell phone call, if i ever had to?

If they call you on your cel, doesn't it cost YOU money for the call?  I thought that they cannot call you when the call will cost you money...

BTW....this is my first post...



Posted By: eshelton
Date Posted: 18/May/2006 at 11:44am
...much to the disadvantage of the Canada Student Loans Program and those who administer it. 

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Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 18/May/2006 at 2:23pm

Show your bill to a complaint invstigator within your provincial ministry, and quote them on the section of the collection agencies' act that describes the prohibited activity with respect to incuring costs upon a debtor in order to collect a debt.

They could not argue withyou over it, that is for sure.

Johnny

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Posted By: Staretz
Date Posted: 16/June/2006 at 8:51am

Johnny wrote:

"Show your bill to a complaint invstigator within your provincial ministry, and quote them on the section of the collection agencies' act that describes the prohibited activity with respect to incuring costs upon a debtor in order to collect a debt. "

if it ever comes to that, I certainly will!



Posted By: quantumlaw
Date Posted: 02/July/2007 at 6:04am
Canada is a one consenting party country. you can record a phone call if you are on the line with a person and speaking to them. Evidence in cases should only be made admissible if the other side consents. if they do not or you have not advised them that you are recording the call then the evidence is not permissble. Thus, you can record freely and if you want to use the evidence later then you must advise them during the conversation.  Agencies will call debtors and rip them out or try to harass / intimidate them. and yes they record every call. but so can you. the problem is, the only way to enter the evidence is if they consent and the probably won't.
 
if they harass you and treat you like a dog, they may liable to you! if they call your neighbours pr employer and divulge private information about you or debts, they may be liable! if they threaten you, coerce or induce you into getting higher interest bearing loans to pay off debts, they may be liable to you. You have rights. HAVE THEY THREATENED TO SUE YOU OR SEND SOME SHERIFF TO YOUR DWELLING! these are all bogus tactics bordering or exhuding the element of extortion.


Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 02/July/2007 at 9:38am

I have been told differently by attorneys that I have access to.

Johnny


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Posted By: coconutprincess
Date Posted: 09/September/2007 at 5:54am
After recording a telephone converstaion, I used my pc mic to transfer what was on the tape into a .wav file on my pc so that I could burn the converstaion to a disk. 
 
Would a copy of the original recording done this way still be admissible in court if the second party in the conversation was aware they were being recorded? 
 
I'm worried that by making a copy of the original it will not be admissible anymore if I want to use that copy as my evidence.


Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 10/September/2007 at 9:29am
Transcribe it in words and post the conversation.
 
Johnny


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