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Topic: Ontario student loan- more than 14 years old
Posted By: earthlink
Subject: Ontario student loan- more than 14 years old
Date Posted: 02/April/2012 at 7:04am
Hi, I have been visiting this group for quite a few years now and before anything else; just wanted to thank the moderator or anyone else who is responsible for answering questions and concerns.
 
My situation is as follows (as far as I recall):
 
-Used to live in Ontario and received an OSAP in 1991-92,
-My last class: 1994-95,
-Didn't file taxes for the past 10 years but did so a year ago,
-Had many calls from different collection agencies before and by year 2000 but then I relocated so they lost me,
 
This year I received a letter from CRA (Revenue Canada): they will be keeping any GST refunds (from the taxes that I filed for previous years) towards the loan I have with Ministry of colleges/universities of Ontario and if I want, I can contact a certain collection agency in Ontario to deal with this matter: which I don't exactly understand what they mean?
 
MY QUESTIONS:
 
1-If my loan is already in default (more than a decade!), can CRA still hold on to my GST credit or any other income tax refunds I may have in future?
2-If THEY CAN do this, how would I know how much I owed and how much is the balance? and can I contest this by hiring a lawyer?
3-Should I contact CRA or the collection agency in question? If I do, does it mean I am admitting the loan? or it makes no difference since it is an OSAP loan and I am dealing with federal government?
 
Your advice is greatly appreciated.
 
Earthlink
 
 
 
 



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Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 02/April/2012 at 8:05am
 
Originally posted by earthlink earthlink wrote:

1-If my loan is already in default (more than a decade!), can CRA still hold on to my GST credit or any other income tax refunds I may have in future?
 
From what you have described this is an Ontario guaranteed loan. Ontario's Federal Set-Off Program is responsible for gaffing any income tax rebate that you are entitled to. THe provincial government has been given the authority to seize money by way of off-set in respect to income tax rebates from those who have outstanding Ontario student loans in default.
 
Ontario is one of the provinces whereas no limitations restrict them from recovering money owed to the province in respect of Ontario guaranteed student loans.[/QUOTE]  
 
 
Originally posted by earthlink earthlink wrote:

2-If THEY CAN do this, how would I know how much I owed and how much is the balance? and can I contest this by hiring a lawyer?
 
 
To find out how much you owe you can contact the collection management unit who handles Ontario student loan collections in sudbury, Ontario. You can con 705-564-8941. If you get nowhere with this person ask for Ben, the manager. They will know who he is.
 
Note thast they will try to redirect you to the private collection agency to answer your questions.
 
Originally posted by earthlink earthlink wrote:

3-Should I contact CRA or the collection agency in question? If I do, does it mean I am admitting the loan? or it makes no difference since it is an OSAP loan and I am dealing with federal government?
 
You won't get anywhere talking with CRA Non-Tax Directorate unless you owe a guaranteed Canada student loan, or debt that is not tax related.


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Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 02/April/2012 at 8:07am

FYI - talking on the phone to a creditor does not contstitute acknowledgment. Some try to bully people into believing that but it is not.  



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Posted By: earthlink
Date Posted: 02/April/2012 at 8:40am
Thank you for quick reply.
 
So, as per your answer, I understand:
 
1-I owe the Ontario government for my OSAP loan even though it's already in default,
2-Whatever income taxes I may have in the future, will never be reimbursed to me but will be given by CRA to Ontario until my loan is fully paid.
 
-What is the position of the collection agency in all this? because I have not received any calls or any letters from them so far?
-If the answer to the 2 questions above is YES, can I hire CFW Group to help me sort this problem out and negotiate my loan/time of repayment? mainly because I would like to build up my credit and get rid off this loan.
 
Also please note I have not been living in Ontario for many years now.
 
Earthlink


Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 03/April/2012 at 3:48am
The collection agency has absolutely no position whatsoever in the seizure of income tax rebates. However, when you communicate witht he government they immediately imply that the agency is where you must go to get answers. This is because they do not want to spend any time with you because they hired the agency for that purpose. a lot of the people behind Ontario's collection management unit arer former third-party collection agents, and they tend to make these third-party agencies look more powerful than they actually are. It is the same thing with the Nova Scotia govenrment'as collection group, and the federal government's Tax and non-tax collection groups. 
 
We can help you ijn different ways, through mediation and even intervention.  Or - analysis and advisory service.  We can also provide you with the tools, show you how to negotiate terms and get the best results for yourself. You have no idea how easy it will be when you have the right tools and intel LOL
 
If you want it come and get it. It is all here.
 
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Posted By: aboriginalkim
Date Posted: 25/April/2012 at 4:40am
Hi, in need of some advise

In 1994/1995 received a Student Loan (Fed & Prov) also I received a Child Care Bursary, to which I was told that I did not have to pay back for the Bursary. I have paid the Fed & recently Prov portion of loans off..however NCO collections stated on the phone to me in 2009, I also had an overpayment for a Bursary. I stated back "no i don't, as it was a Bursay and I do not owe for it". I asked why he was stating this to me and he did not know why, but it showed that I owed $10,000? I asked to have documentation sent to me, and I want my day in court as this is new news to me. I also asked why in world is this coming up now, as it has been over 14 years since I received the bursary to pay for my three children's daycare, while I was in school? Nothing was ever sent to me. This year in 2012 I phoned Rev Canada as I had questions about my taxes, and I was informed that a lien was on me for the Prov portion of my loan..where I explained it was in the process of being paid. I then remembered conversation in 2009 with NCO and asked Rev about it. They stated I would have to call NCO as they could not speak to it. I called and a person stated yes I have an overpayment in regard to a Bursary. I asked why and they said that MTCU did not receive receipts. I stated back that is interesting to me...further I want my day in court and want paper work about this issue. NCO sent to me what I asked but told me also I had to write to MTCU apeal board in Thunder Bay. After a lot of hours of research, I am not sure on how to proceed with this. For one I am statue barred from this, as this took place under the old Statue of Limitations...I have never been given any paperwork about this before now, as the letter that was sent out to me in 2001 was sent to a very old address to which I did not live at and therefore never got no such letter about this issue. I did however do my taxes each year ect..and Fed and Pov liens on me, knew where I was etc. It is now been 17 or 18 years after the fact and I am maintaining I do not owe as receipts were given. I do not want to put in writing anything to MTCU, as I feel I am statue barred from any action against me for this issue. If I were not then they would have taken action against me for this a long time ago like the Fed and Prov loan...further how I am to prove all these years later that odviously an adminstrative error took place on the part of the school or MTCU..Not sure what to do?
I am in the process of speaking to a lawyer but in the mean time NCO has put this issue on hold for 45 days which is almost up. I want to tell them not to bother me about this as I am statue barred ...and if they feel I am not to start a proceeding against me. I have tried to call MTCU but they do not speak to anyone, more just ask me to put in writing my issue. Why should I have to, they have no grounds against as Rev Canada told me their is no lien against me for this issue about a bursary of $10, 000 and more now with interest. So should I just ingnore or call to see if this is on my credit rating...or should I write to the apeal board/MTCU and lastly or should I file a complaint ???    


Posted By: administrator
Date Posted: 25/April/2012 at 5:32am
If is likely stats barred, but the collection agency will try to collect anyways... dont get into arguments with the collection agency as they wont listen.  Filing a complaint wont do anything, as no one in government seems to listen.  Perhaps talk to John Leblanc and see what he can do to stop the collection calls.  In no way should you acknowledge the debt. 

I think the way you are describing how you've dealt with it is the best course of action.


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Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 25/April/2012 at 7:05am

If you are going to write to them make sure that you word it properly so it does not affect any limitation issues that may be in place. YOu need to have proof of their claim in order to make sense of it.



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Posted By: footloose
Date Posted: 25/April/2012 at 11:46am

When you originally completed the "OSAP Child Care Benefit Application Form" in 1994/1995, ( the Bursary Application ), you agreed to provide child care receipts to OSAP as a condition of receiving this Bursary. These receipts are used by OSAP to confirm that the monies you received as a Bursary, were, in fact, paid as a child care expense.

At least two receipts are required for the OSAP Child Care Bursary. The first receipt(s) must be for the actual child care costs the student has incurred for the first four weeks of his or her study period. The receipt(s) must accompany the OSAP Child Care Bursary Application Form in order for the student to be considered for a bursary.

The second receipt(s) must be for the actual child care costs incurred during the remaining weeks of the student's study period. The deadline date to submit the second receipt(s) is no later than 45 days after the student's last day of classes. This receipt(s) must be submitted to the financial aid office at the student's school.

If more than one person provides child care, each child care provider must fill out a separate receipt. Only the standard OSAP Child Care Bursary Receipt will be accepted. Incomplete or non-OSAP receipts will not be accepted.

Based on the information that you provided in your post, it would appear that either this receipt(s) was not provided in a timely manner, or was not provided to the financial aid office at your school, or was not provided on the official OSAP Child Care Bursary Receipt.

In my view, this is causing your problem. Without this receipt(s) provided according to their Regulations, OSAP will now deem this Bursary as an overpayment and has assigned it to NCO Collections for recovery.

I would strongly suggest that you write a letter to OSAP in Thunder Bay requesting clarification as to why your Bursary has been assigned to NCO for collection. If their response refers to the non-acceptance or non-submission of the receipt(s), write another letter and request specific directions as to how you can rectify this problem, other than paying for the amount claimed.

RE; STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS

Under the Ontario Limitations Act, 2002 which became effective January 1, 2004, pursuant to Paragraph 16(1)(k), it states as follows:

16(1) There is no limitation period in respect of:

(k) a proceeding to recover money owing in respect of student loans, medical resident loans, awards or grants made under the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Universities Act, the Canada Student Financial Assistance Act or the Canada Student Loans Act.

That means that any Bursary issued after January 1, 2004 under the Ministry of Training, Colleges and Unversities Act would be caught by this provision.

Your Bursary was issued under the Ontario Limitations Act, R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER L.15. which provides for a six year limitation period.

However, the current Limitations Act, 2002 provides for Transition Rules how a former limitation period is applicable to the current limitation rules.

Section 24 provides the rules for the application of the limitation period.

(1) "former limitation period" means the limitation period that applied in respect of the claim before January 1, 2004.

(2) This section applies to claims based on acts or omissions that took place before January 1, 2004 and in respect of which no proceeding has been commenced before that date.

(3) If the former limitation period expired before January 1, 2004, no proceeding shall be commenced in respect of the claim.

(4) If the former limitation period did not expire before January 1, 2004,and if no limitation period under the Act would apply were the claim based on an act or omission that took place on or after that date, there is no limitation period.

In summary, what Section 24 is saying is this. If OSAP's claim has a six year limitation period under the former Limitation Act ( which it does ) and this limitation period expired prior to January 1, 2004, then OSAP's claim is "statute-barred". On the other hand, if OSAP's claim has a six-year limitation period under the former Limitation Act and this limitation period expired after January 1, 2004, then there is no limitation period.

It now becomes absolutely essential to determine when OSAP first knew of the claim and count forward six years. If the six year period ends before January 1, 2004, the claim is "statute-barred". If the six year period ends after January 1, 2004, OSAP potentially has a claim with no limitation period.



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Posted By: SolveStudentDebt
Date Posted: 27/April/2012 at 3:34am
It was really difficult getting the Ontario government to open up about limitation issues. They simply tell everyone that there are no limitations that bind them no matter how old the debt is, which is totally untrue.  The changes to the Ontario Limitation Act came into force in 2004 and in my opinion, and with the interpretation of a few litigation attorneys that I have as aides, loans that had gone into default  prior to April 1998 may be subject to a limitation issue IF no acknowledgment had occured.
 
Examples:
 
Exemption: Loan taken out in  2001 would be recoverable at all times with no limitations binding the Ontario government from collecting it. It wouldn't matter when it had gone into default.
 
Statutory Bar: Loan taken out in 1995, defaulted in 1997, and no payment or acknowledgment made for a 6-year period moving forward brings it to 2003. In this example, the debt should be statute barred.
 
Loans that were barred before the coming into force of the 2004 ammendment are not affected by it. Otherwise, there would be an item in the act titled "Resurrection" with it's definition refencing Mark 16:3. LOL
 
   


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Posted By: Bleak5170
Date Posted: 21/June/2012 at 8:28am
My situation is somewhat similar so I figured I'd chime in here rather than start a new topic. I received student loans through OSAP back in 1993. I never graduated and things were pretty rough for a while. I never did pay anything back but it's been a very long time since I heard from collectors. In the meantime I had purchased more than one car over the years and even bought a house.

    The government was also taking all my tax returns and GST checks and I had no problem with that - I figured I owed them anyway. Well just last year I received my tax return and all my GST checks as well for the first time since I can remember.

   Today I get a call from some from Partners in Credit. I missed the call but I looked them up online. Does this mean I can expect to be harassed on a daily basis? I had honestly completely forgotten about those old loans. I mean, it's been almost 20 years.

     Thanks a lot.



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